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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl &#187; Scholarship in the digital age #coltt2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>sciencegeekgirl &#187; Scholarship in the digital age #coltt2009</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] about our students?  I&#8217;ve posted before on the impact of the digital age on our classrooms.  Students aren&#8217;t coming to class as much, he says, and so we need to use new media to its [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Long Distance Wireless Router</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Distance Wireless Router</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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These routers have changed the way i look at things the technology has moved so far....</description>
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<p>These routers have changed the way i look at things the technology has moved so far&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Bruff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Bruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I hear &quot;clickers&quot;? =)  I&#039;ll agree that clickers can be a useful tool for overcoming some of the challenges presented in Michael Wesch&#039;s video.

I&#039;ll also point out that many instructors who teach with clickers find themselves &quot;covering&quot; just as much content (that is, achieving as much breadth), just doing so in a different way, a way that provides depth as well.

Other instructors who use clickers are just find sacrificing a little breadth for a lot of depth.  As Assaf points out, there&#039;s an optimization problem here.  I think it&#039;s important to assess just how &quot;deep&quot; your students are going when you increase the &quot;breadth&quot; of a course.  Often, it&#039;s not very deep at all.

Finally, I&#039;ve got to step up and defend PowerPoint!  Well, at least a little.  Check out Garr Reynolds&#039; ideas in his book, &lt;i&gt;Presentation Zen&lt;/i&gt;, and his blog of the same name:

http://www.presentationzen.com/

If you think of a PowerPoint slideshow as complementing one&#039;s verbal presentation--and not the other way around--then PowerPoint can be a very effective way to enhance one&#039;s presentation.

For instance, when I give a presentation on how people learn, I show this image:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipeapple/3071402405/

I use it to make the point that just as we don&#039;t really know what&#039;s inside of a laptop without x-raying it, we also don&#039;t really know how our students are making sense of what we&#039;re teaching them unless we try to &quot;uncover&quot; what and how they&#039;re learning (usually through formative assessment).

The striking visual image helps make my point more memorable.  At least, I think it does!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I hear &#8220;clickers&#8221;? =)  I&#8217;ll agree that clickers can be a useful tool for overcoming some of the challenges presented in Michael Wesch&#8217;s video.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also point out that many instructors who teach with clickers find themselves &#8220;covering&#8221; just as much content (that is, achieving as much breadth), just doing so in a different way, a way that provides depth as well.</p>
<p>Other instructors who use clickers are just find sacrificing a little breadth for a lot of depth.  As Assaf points out, there&#8217;s an optimization problem here.  I think it&#8217;s important to assess just how &#8220;deep&#8221; your students are going when you increase the &#8220;breadth&#8221; of a course.  Often, it&#8217;s not very deep at all.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ve got to step up and defend PowerPoint!  Well, at least a little.  Check out Garr Reynolds&#8217; ideas in his book, <i>Presentation Zen</i>, and his blog of the same name:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.presentationzen.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.presentationzen.com/</a></p>
<p>If you think of a PowerPoint slideshow as complementing one&#8217;s verbal presentation&#8211;and not the other way around&#8211;then PowerPoint can be a very effective way to enhance one&#8217;s presentation.</p>
<p>For instance, when I give a presentation on how people learn, I show this image:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipeapple/3071402405/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipeapple/3071402405/</a></p>
<p>I use it to make the point that just as we don&#8217;t really know what&#8217;s inside of a laptop without x-raying it, we also don&#8217;t really know how our students are making sense of what we&#8217;re teaching them unless we try to &#8220;uncover&#8221; what and how they&#8217;re learning (usually through formative assessment).</p>
<p>The striking visual image helps make my point more memorable.  At least, I think it does!</p>
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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil&#039;s advocates are good to get us to crystallize our critical arguments, in any discipline.  I don&#039;t mind thoughtful arguments!  

I&#039;m a big advocate of clickers as a low-barrier way to change up the classroom structure -- when used well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s advocates are good to get us to crystallize our critical arguments, in any discipline.  I don&#8217;t mind thoughtful arguments!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big advocate of clickers as a low-barrier way to change up the classroom structure &#8212; when used well!</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I tend to play devil&#039;s advocate a bit too enthusiastically. Clickers do sound like a pretty neat idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I tend to play devil&#8217;s advocate a bit too enthusiastically. Clickers do sound like a pretty neat idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links. Interesting stuff! Blog readers don&#039;t usually read earlier posts, much like you don&#039;t read old newspaper columns, so you&#039;ll have to excuse me for asking for them.

Writing down something makes you think about it as you write it down (and gives me the time to do so). That&#039;s at least how it works for me (as a student). Suppose you&#039;re shown a picture with 5 marbles with different colors, and after looking at it for a minute you&#039;re asked what colors were the marbles; contrast that with being told to copy down the picture during that minute with your crayons. I&#039;ll bet that on average copying down the picture improves your performance tremendously. That&#039;s why even a &quot;slowed down&quot; presentation won&#039;t be as good as a blackboard. Maybe copying down something is just &quot;passive thinking&quot;, but it still beats &quot;passive viewing&quot; by a long shot. It also immediately highlights those parts of a derivation or an idea that you&#039;re not sure about and helps you &quot;understand what you don&#039;t understand&quot;.

I&#039;m not saying that your other reasons for favoring a blackboard over a powerpoint presentation aren&#039;t valid - they are, but I think they are secondary. Think about questions asked during class; 80% of the time people ask things that are either redundant (&quot;is that a B or an 8 over there?&quot;) or that you don&#039;t care about because you either already know it, guessed it, understood it, or just don&#039;t care about it. Plus, you always get questions from &#039;know-it-alls&#039; that are more interested in demonstrating their cleverness than actually learning. Still, it&#039;s good to have them there, since they give me time as a student to finish copying everything ;). 

As for the studies you&#039;ve shown, they&#039;re fascinating, but the parameter of interest we&#039;re trying to optimize isn&#039;t how much a student can be taught, but how much he can be taught *per unit time*. A student can learn much better if he&#039;s allowed to experiment prior to class, but that takes double the amount of time, doesn&#039;t it? It&#039;s already a full time job being a student (I remember my hectic BSc) - I couldn&#039;t possibly imagine it being more intense! 

For example, it would seem to (inexperienced) me that using clickers and starting a discussion about the results takes a lot of time (probably ~ 10 minutes in a large, 80 student classroom) - doing it routinely would mean having less time to teach the remaining material. Can you fit  these new approaches into the existing time frames?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links. Interesting stuff! Blog readers don&#8217;t usually read earlier posts, much like you don&#8217;t read old newspaper columns, so you&#8217;ll have to excuse me for asking for them.</p>
<p>Writing down something makes you think about it as you write it down (and gives me the time to do so). That&#8217;s at least how it works for me (as a student). Suppose you&#8217;re shown a picture with 5 marbles with different colors, and after looking at it for a minute you&#8217;re asked what colors were the marbles; contrast that with being told to copy down the picture during that minute with your crayons. I&#8217;ll bet that on average copying down the picture improves your performance tremendously. That&#8217;s why even a &#8220;slowed down&#8221; presentation won&#8217;t be as good as a blackboard. Maybe copying down something is just &#8220;passive thinking&#8221;, but it still beats &#8220;passive viewing&#8221; by a long shot. It also immediately highlights those parts of a derivation or an idea that you&#8217;re not sure about and helps you &#8220;understand what you don&#8217;t understand&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that your other reasons for favoring a blackboard over a powerpoint presentation aren&#8217;t valid &#8211; they are, but I think they are secondary. Think about questions asked during class; 80% of the time people ask things that are either redundant (&#8220;is that a B or an 8 over there?&#8221;) or that you don&#8217;t care about because you either already know it, guessed it, understood it, or just don&#8217;t care about it. Plus, you always get questions from &#8216;know-it-alls&#8217; that are more interested in demonstrating their cleverness than actually learning. Still, it&#8217;s good to have them there, since they give me time as a student to finish copying everything <img src='http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>As for the studies you&#8217;ve shown, they&#8217;re fascinating, but the parameter of interest we&#8217;re trying to optimize isn&#8217;t how much a student can be taught, but how much he can be taught *per unit time*. A student can learn much better if he&#8217;s allowed to experiment prior to class, but that takes double the amount of time, doesn&#8217;t it? It&#8217;s already a full time job being a student (I remember my hectic BSc) &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t possibly imagine it being more intense! </p>
<p>For example, it would seem to (inexperienced) me that using clickers and starting a discussion about the results takes a lot of time (probably ~ 10 minutes in a large, 80 student classroom) &#8211; doing it routinely would mean having less time to teach the remaining material. Can you fit  these new approaches into the existing time frames?</p>
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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But a blackboard does engage the student, who copies the material off it actively.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I must strongly disagree!  Acting as a scribe does NOT necessarily engage the student&#039;s brain.  I think we often make the mistake of comparing our students to ourselves.  As experts in our field, if we go to a professional talk, our minds are very engaged in what we&#039;re hearing, even though we&#039;re sitting passively.  We&#039;re comparing what we hear to what we already know, making connections, formulating questions, and so on.  It is a &quot;minds-on&quot; activity for us, as experts, to listen to somebody lecture (and perhaps to transcribe some of our thinking into a notebook).  Students are not experts.  We are guiding them through the material for the first time.  There is a famous quote that education is the &quot;passing of material from the lecture notes of the instructor to the notebooks of the students without passing through the minds of either.&quot;  

I&#039;m not saying that lecture is necessarily completely ineffective -- it can be an efficient way of summarizing material or going further *after* the student has been given a chance to wrestle with it and make sense of it for him or herself.  Dozens of studies support this statement.

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 If that wasn’t so blackboards were as bad as powerpoint presentations, and they’re definitely not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I believe that the major detriment of powerpoint in a lecture, as outlined in the post, is that it creates a &quot;forced march&quot; through the material, with no room for tangents or discussions.  A blackboard is much more flexible -- one can respond to those student questions, take the lecture in a different direction, the lecturer is forced to slow down to the pace of their own writing (which gives students more of a chance to absorb the material).  

So, I believe that blackboards are better than powerpoint, but interactive engagement is better than either one on its own.

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&lt;p&gt;Do you have a link to one of your earlier posts that offers an alternative to it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are 45 posts under &quot;How People Learn&quot; -- it&#039;s one of the main foci of this blog.  But here are a few of the ones that I like best:

http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/10/10/a-time-for-telling/

http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/12/what-do-you-believe-about-how-people-learn/

http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/11/classroom-clickers-and-the-cost-of-technology/

http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/11/17/why-students-fail-to-transfer-what-they-learn/ (If you like that stuff, search for &quot;Schwartz&quot; and I&quot;ve written about his work a lot).

Thanks for the discussion, Assaf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But a blackboard does engage the student, who copies the material off it actively.</p>
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<p>I must strongly disagree!  Acting as a scribe does NOT necessarily engage the student&#8217;s brain.  I think we often make the mistake of comparing our students to ourselves.  As experts in our field, if we go to a professional talk, our minds are very engaged in what we&#8217;re hearing, even though we&#8217;re sitting passively.  We&#8217;re comparing what we hear to what we already know, making connections, formulating questions, and so on.  It is a &#8220;minds-on&#8221; activity for us, as experts, to listen to somebody lecture (and perhaps to transcribe some of our thinking into a notebook).  Students are not experts.  We are guiding them through the material for the first time.  There is a famous quote that education is the &#8220;passing of material from the lecture notes of the instructor to the notebooks of the students without passing through the minds of either.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that lecture is necessarily completely ineffective &#8212; it can be an efficient way of summarizing material or going further *after* the student has been given a chance to wrestle with it and make sense of it for him or herself.  Dozens of studies support this statement.</p>
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 If that wasn’t so blackboards were as bad as powerpoint presentations, and they’re definitely not.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe that the major detriment of powerpoint in a lecture, as outlined in the post, is that it creates a &#8220;forced march&#8221; through the material, with no room for tangents or discussions.  A blackboard is much more flexible &#8212; one can respond to those student questions, take the lecture in a different direction, the lecturer is forced to slow down to the pace of their own writing (which gives students more of a chance to absorb the material).  </p>
<p>So, I believe that blackboards are better than powerpoint, but interactive engagement is better than either one on its own.</p>
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<p>Do you have a link to one of your earlier posts that offers an alternative to it?</p>
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<p>There are 45 posts under &#8220;How People Learn&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s one of the main foci of this blog.  But here are a few of the ones that I like best:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/10/10/a-time-for-telling/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/10/10/a-time-for-telling/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/12/what-do-you-believe-about-how-people-learn/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/12/what-do-you-believe-about-how-people-learn/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/11/classroom-clickers-and-the-cost-of-technology/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2009/02/11/classroom-clickers-and-the-cost-of-technology/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/11/17/why-students-fail-to-transfer-what-they-learn/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/11/17/why-students-fail-to-transfer-what-they-learn/</a> (If you like that stuff, search for &#8220;Schwartz&#8221; and I&#8221;ve written about his work a lot).</p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion, Assaf.</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But a blackboard does engage the student, who copies the material off it actively. If that wasn&#039;t so blackboards were as bad as powerpoint presentations, and they&#039;re definitely not.

There has to be a balance between the depth at which a certain subject is learned (which is directly related to how active a student is) and the amount of material taught (the rate of teaching is highest when teaching is passive). It&#039;s a depth vs breadth problem. I think a blackboard strikes a good balance between the two. 

Do you have a link to one of your earlier posts that offers an alternative to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a blackboard does engage the student, who copies the material off it actively. If that wasn&#8217;t so blackboards were as bad as powerpoint presentations, and they&#8217;re definitely not.</p>
<p>There has to be a balance between the depth at which a certain subject is learned (which is directly related to how active a student is) and the amount of material taught (the rate of teaching is highest when teaching is passive). It&#8217;s a depth vs breadth problem. I think a blackboard strikes a good balance between the two. </p>
<p>Do you have a link to one of your earlier posts that offers an alternative to it?</p>
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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; What’s wrong with the blackboard and a good lecturer?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I must take issue with that statement!  There is plenty of research that shows the limitations of a &quot;good lecture&quot;, since learner&#039;s brains aren&#039;t engaged by passively sitting in the audience and listening.  Much more substantial learning takes place when students are interactively engaged.  Check out any of my posts under the category &quot;how people learn&quot; to see more of this research and my take on it.  Lecture has its place, and it&#039;s not bad per se, but it&#039;s insufficient.  If these digital technologies can help learners wrestle with complex topics and make connections in ways that traditional lecture can&#039;t -- then that&#039;s a good thing.  But they&#039;re tools, like anything else.  They can be wielded well, and wielded poorly.</description>
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<p>I must take issue with that statement!  There is plenty of research that shows the limitations of a &#8220;good lecture&#8221;, since learner&#8217;s brains aren&#8217;t engaged by passively sitting in the audience and listening.  Much more substantial learning takes place when students are interactively engaged.  Check out any of my posts under the category &#8220;how people learn&#8221; to see more of this research and my take on it.  Lecture has its place, and it&#8217;s not bad per se, but it&#8217;s insufficient.  If these digital technologies can help learners wrestle with complex topics and make connections in ways that traditional lecture can&#8217;t &#8212; then that&#8217;s a good thing.  But they&#8217;re tools, like anything else.  They can be wielded well, and wielded poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, once you start thinking of more tools and visual maps and whatnot, it becomes such a headache. What&#039;s wrong with the blackboard and a good lecturer?

A teacher should first and foremost develop his/her presentation skills, and should leave the electronic toys (that&#039;s what they are) out of the picture; spoken as both a student and a lecturer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, once you start thinking of more tools and visual maps and whatnot, it becomes such a headache. What&#8217;s wrong with the blackboard and a good lecturer?</p>
<p>A teacher should first and foremost develop his/her presentation skills, and should leave the electronic toys (that&#8217;s what they are) out of the picture; spoken as both a student and a lecturer.</p>
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