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	<title>Comments on: Some fine questions about the nature of light</title>
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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/08/09/some-fine-questions-about-the-nature-of-light/comment-page-1/#comment-333</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT question, Jim.  I had to go and think and talk to some folks before I could answer it.  No, you&#039;re not missing anything, I was trying to simplify some complicated math with english and made a mistake in the process.  Here is a more accurate answer.

B and E *are* in phase, as you say.  E is max where B is max. So, what propagates the radiation?  Let&#039;s be more careful.

I said that a change in E creates a B and a change in B creates an E.  That&#039;s not exactly true.  A change in E over *time* creates a variation in B over *space*.  [In math-speak, dE/dt gives rise to a curl in B].  And vice versa, a change in B over *time* creates a variation in E over *space*.

So, let&#039;s go back to the example of shaking a charge.  Here&#039;s what happens.
1.  Shake charge, that creates a changing E field in time.
2.  That changing E in time creates a curl in B.
3.  However, there was no B to begin with, so that curl in B is new.  So, that&#039;s a changing B in time.
4.  That changing B in time creates a curl in E.
5.  That curl in E changes in time as B changes in time, so that means that the value of E itself is changing over time.
6.  Return to step 2, lather rinse repeat.

The PheT simulation at http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/emf/emf.jnlp shows step 1 nicely.

If anyone else can explain this well, go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT question, Jim.  I had to go and think and talk to some folks before I could answer it.  No, you&#8217;re not missing anything, I was trying to simplify some complicated math with english and made a mistake in the process.  Here is a more accurate answer.</p>
<p>B and E *are* in phase, as you say.  E is max where B is max. So, what propagates the radiation?  Let&#8217;s be more careful.</p>
<p>I said that a change in E creates a B and a change in B creates an E.  That&#8217;s not exactly true.  A change in E over *time* creates a variation in B over *space*.  [In math-speak, dE/dt gives rise to a curl in B].  And vice versa, a change in B over *time* creates a variation in E over *space*.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s go back to the example of shaking a charge.  Here&#8217;s what happens.<br />
1.  Shake charge, that creates a changing E field in time.<br />
2.  That changing E in time creates a curl in B.<br />
3.  However, there was no B to begin with, so that curl in B is new.  So, that&#8217;s a changing B in time.<br />
4.  That changing B in time creates a curl in E.<br />
5.  That curl in E changes in time as B changes in time, so that means that the value of E itself is changing over time.<br />
6.  Return to step 2, lather rinse repeat.</p>
<p>The PheT simulation at <a href="http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/emf/emf.jnlp" rel="nofollow">http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/emf/emf.jnlp</a> shows step 1 nicely.</p>
<p>If anyone else can explain this well, go for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/08/09/some-fine-questions-about-the-nature-of-light/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From above...

Q: What propagates the electromagnetic radiation

A: &quot;... the electric and magnetic fields swap energy between each other, as one grows the other diminishes.

I&#039;ve been considering this phenomenon lately and have been all over the web trying to answer this for myself.  The answer given to the question here doesn&#039;t seem consistent with what I&#039;m getting from other sources.  Wouldn&#039;t the energy swapping hyposthsis require that the propogating electric and magnetic fields be 90 degrees out of phase with one another.  Everything I&#039;m reading says that the E and M fields are completely in phase with one another (ie, both reach their max and min at the same time).  So what am I missing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From above&#8230;</p>
<p>Q: What propagates the electromagnetic radiation</p>
<p>A: &#8220;&#8230; the electric and magnetic fields swap energy between each other, as one grows the other diminishes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been considering this phenomenon lately and have been all over the web trying to answer this for myself.  The answer given to the question here doesn&#8217;t seem consistent with what I&#8217;m getting from other sources.  Wouldn&#8217;t the energy swapping hyposthsis require that the propogating electric and magnetic fields be 90 degrees out of phase with one another.  Everything I&#8217;m reading says that the E and M fields are completely in phase with one another (ie, both reach their max and min at the same time).  So what am I missing here?</p>
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		<title>By: sciencegeekgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/08/09/some-fine-questions-about-the-nature-of-light/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>sciencegeekgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, that listserv is restricted to teachers who have gone through the Teacher Institute&#039;s program.  I can&#039;t recommend that program enough, though, go to http://www.exploratorium.edu/ti.  There is no better way to spend a month of your summer vacation if you&#039;re a teacher.  Whenever I&#039;m back at the Exporatorium I drop in and spend *my* vacation there!
In the meantime, I&#039;ll post interesting notes here when something good comes along on that listserv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, that listserv is restricted to teachers who have gone through the Teacher Institute&#8217;s program.  I can&#8217;t recommend that program enough, though, go to <a href="http://www.exploratorium.edu/ti" rel="nofollow">http://www.exploratorium.edu/ti</a>.  There is no better way to spend a month of your summer vacation if you&#8217;re a teacher.  Whenever I&#8217;m back at the Exporatorium I drop in and spend *my* vacation there!<br />
In the meantime, I&#8217;ll post interesting notes here when something good comes along on that listserv.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Noschese</title>
		<link>http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/08/09/some-fine-questions-about-the-nature-of-light/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Noschese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a HS physics teacher and I just found your blog via Cocktail Party Physics.  Awesome!  I&#039;m working through the archives now.

Regarding this post: I love Paul Doherty&#039;s balloon demo!  On what listserv did this take place?  I&#039;d love to join!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a HS physics teacher and I just found your blog via Cocktail Party Physics.  Awesome!  I&#8217;m working through the archives now.</p>
<p>Regarding this post: I love Paul Doherty&#8217;s balloon demo!  On what listserv did this take place?  I&#8217;d love to join!</p>
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